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    Spotted this today at Bunnings - this really scares me what they sell.

    Why bother doing your Gas qualification, - DIY GAS


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    I know they had the water type, which doesn't scare me, but whoa, does this even have AS approval!

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    Water push on's fair enough, for a caravan or similar no problem, the worst that can happen is you get water everywhere, but GAS, are you serious ?

    Yes it does have approval, http://www.gastite.com.au/user-guide/

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    The push on Shark water connectors are absolutely fine, use high quality pipe and identical seals to Vega or whatever else, just that they stay connected in a different but proven way.
    If compressed connectors are approved for gas then these could also be ok, but who knows how the uninitiated could get a connection wrong and that really is the scary thing.

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    Spotted this today at Bunnings - this really scares me what they sell.

    I just had gas installed and it's only 1 kpa pressure so it can't be that bad


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    Hopefully wont be on their shelves for too long after some bozo kills someone. Maybe it will take a death to stop these knobs selling this stuff.

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    Originally Posted by barney118
    I just had gas installed and it's only 1 kpa pressure so it can't be that bad


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    Not sure. If the fixing method is like water ones, then low pressure could be a problem as the bite needs pressure to establish a hold.

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    Originally Posted by barney118
    I just had gas installed and it's only 1 kpa pressure so it can't be that bad


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    I hope your joking?

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    Originally Posted by phild01
    Not sure. If the fixing method is like water ones, then low pressure could be a problem as the bite needs pressure to establish a hold.
    It uses a crimp tool, irrespective I don't think this should be available off the shelf, have you seen some of the people who shop in Bunnings.

    I would be afraid if they were going to connect up a garden hose, let alone do their own GAS, No doubt someone will kill themself.


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    Originally Posted by phild01
    Not sure. If the fixing method is like water ones, then low pressure could be a problem as the bite needs pressure to establish a hold.
    Not entirely true, the push on will not let go even with zero pressure, even not connected to anything it wont come off, the teeth bite in like a fish hook as you push it on the copper or PEX.
    Tthere is a special tool which is used to get the fitting back off.

    Next time your there, push one on and try to get it back off, I bet you can't get it off without the tool.

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    Surely Bunnings aren't selling something that doesn't have Aust Approval!
    I wouldn't have it and would feel very uneasy about anything that wasn't at least silver soldered in the wall.

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    Re: Spotted this today at Bunnings - this really scares me what they sell.

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    It uses a crimp tool, irrespective I don't think this should be available off the shelf, have you seen some of the people who shop in Bunnings.

    I would be afraid if they were going to connect up a garden hose, let alone do their own GAS, No doubt someone will kill themself.


    Yeah, you could connect your garden hose to the gas and then run it round to your bbq!






    I'm joking.

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    Of course, they only sell it so you can give it to your plumber to use ...

    Anyway, walk into a dedicated plumbing specialist and they will sell it to anyone too. Never been asked for a license etc, anywhere.

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    Originally Posted by METRIX
    It uses a crimp tool, irrespective I don't think this should be available off the shelf, have you seen some of the people who shop in Bunnings.

    I would be afraid if they were going to connect up a garden hose, let alone do their own GAS, No doubt someone will kill themself.

    Ebay sell a variety of crimping tools which are not compatible with different systems. Just saying in the wrong hands, especially bozo's with a little knowledge, it is a real problem.

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    Originally Posted by phild01
    Surely Bunnings aren't selling something that doesn't have Aust Approval!
    I wouldn't have it and would feel very uneasy about anything that wasn't at least silver soldered in the wall.
    It is approved

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    Originally Posted by phild01
    Surely Bunnings aren't selling something that doesn't have Aust Approval!
    I wouldn't have it and would feel very uneasy about anything that wasn't at least silver soldered in the wall.
    It does have AUST approval, if it didn;t nobody could sell it, that's not the issue, its that any joe blow can now easily muck around with GAS, where before unless you knew how to solder or braze then they just kept away from it.

    There's nothing wrong with crimped fittings, these have been around forever in hydraulics and water and have proved themself reliable time after time, it's the concern it's now in the hands of every unlicensed person.

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    Originally Posted by METRIX
    Not entirely true, the push on will not let go even with zero pressure, even not connected to anything it wont come off, the teeth bite in like a fish hook as you push it on the copper or PEX.
    Tthere is a special tool which is used to get the fitting back off.

    Next time your there, push one on and try to get it back off, I bet you can't get it off without the tool.
    True, I understood the teeth bite better with the water pressure. Trying to pull it apart imparts a similar pressure. They can actually be pulled apart without the special tool, the plastic nail clips can be used instead.

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    Originally Posted by phild01
    True, I understood the teeth bite better with the water pressure. Trying to pull it apart imparts a similar pressure. They can actually be pulled apart without the special tool, the plastic nail clips can be used instead.

    same principle

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    Originally Posted by r3nov8or
    Of course, they only sell it so you can give it to your plumber to use ...

    Anyway, walk into a dedicated plumbing specialist and they will sell it to anyone too. Never been asked for a license etc, anywhere.
    Electrical is the same.

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    Originally Posted by Bros
    Electrical is the same.
    Yes, exactly.

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    Whats the problem? You can buy timber at Bunnings. People take out load bearing walls with no idea how, at least with gas you can smell a leak. Decks fall down, walls collapse and people get killed.

    Plumbers and sparkys jump up and down every time DIY is mentioned. They should try and view it from a Carpenter/ Builders point of view. (pun intended)

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    Originally Posted by Eastwing
    ... at least with gas you can smell a leak.
    Can you smell gas when you sleep!
    If there was anything that concerns me about DIY plumbing, it would be gas.

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    Originally Posted by Eastwing
    Whats the problem? You can buy timber at Bunnings. People take out load bearing walls with no idea how, at least with gas you can smell a leak. Decks fall down, walls collapse and people get killed.

    Plumbers and sparkys jump up and down every time DIY is mentioned. They should try and view it from a Carpenter/ Builders point of view. (pun intended)
    Geeze buddy, without trying to jump up and down, it's the installation side aswell, improper fluing resulting in C.O. which is a silent killer. But you probably know best.

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    My point is lots people are killed each year by structural failures, Just look at some of the DIY decks on here, that people so proudly post pictures of. Anyone who uses post stirrups as stumps, do you really think they are qualified to make structural modifications to a house. The use of bright nails and treated pine. The list goes on and on. One mention of plumbing and people jump up and down, do you really think someone is going to drown because a 90 mm down pipe leaks? Badly installed windows leak, leading to rot, mould, and termites issues, how is that not just as big an issue?

    Electrical, plumbing, and structural work needs to be regulated.

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    Originally Posted by plum
    Geeze buddy, without trying to jump up and down, it's the installation side aswell, improper fluing resulting in C.O. which is a silent killer. But you probably know best.
    Did you miss this bit (pun intended)

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    Actually, I've looked for the pun, but I can't see it. But I'm sure there's one there.

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    Originally Posted by plum
    Actually, I've looked for the pun, but I can't see it. But I'm sure there's one there.
    I admit to this as well.

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    Originally Posted by Eastwing
    Whats the problem? You can buy timber at Bunnings. People take out load bearing walls with no idea how, at least with gas you can smell a leak. Decks fall down, walls collapse and people get killed.


    Plumbers and sparky's jump up and down every time DIY is mentioned. They should try and view it from a Carpenter/ Builders point of view. (pun intended)

    Mate I am a Carpenter / Builder, I see dangerous builds and shoddy work done by the punter all the time and agree 100% that punters should NOT be touching structural walls, nor should they be building illegal decks and other structures, I have been shot down many times by others justifying that a punter will tend to build something better than a tradie because they take their time, investigate and actually "over engineer" blah blah blah.

    That's a load of rot I don't care how much time you take to do something or how much time you spend investigating something it does not automatically give you the right to simply go out and build a deck or rip down some structural walls full well knowing that you are NOT qualified to do this nor is the modification you are doing in any way legal without consent from the proper authorities, what might seem like good building practice or "good enough" to a punter is not necessarily the correct way to build something and I freely say this on this forum time and time again.

    Yes I do agree that the electrical and plumbing sides do get a bit touchy when their work in mentioned to be done by a punter, and yes I do agree that structural work is just as important to be done correctly and safely, this is why there is a process in place that take 4 years minimum to achieve a basic licence to build limited structures (carpenter) or around 6 to achieve your unrestricted builders license,4 years for electrical and 4 years for plumbing plus an additional approximately 12 months for your gas fitters license.

    I personally don't care if a punter decides to do their own plumbing for water, each to their own if they want to take the risk of a leak developing at a later stage with the potential for causing thousands of dollars damage then good luck to them, that's the risk they take if they want to do some electrical work with the potential of putting themselves, family and friends lives at risk from electrocution or fire then fine if they want to rip down a structural wall also putting their family and friends lives at risk if it collapses while in the progress or at a later stage, go for it.

    You can't stop them doing any of the above because they have done a lot of investigation and therefore will do a better job than a trade qualified person (and some possibly will) they simply go to the green supermarket, and pick up everything they need and go for it, after all the punter spends a lot of time investigating what's the "correct way of doing something" by getting on forums and asking someone to explain "how do I do this" or "am I doing this correctly" or "does this abide by AU Standards" or "is this the correct sized timber to use for this" or any number of other questions which are taught in the apprentice process or on the work site so the punter must be building their structure better than a tradie (or so I've been told) because they have a lot of knowledge, but what would I know.

    And yes we all know Bunning's and the others sell electrical wire, plumbing fittings, timbers and a whole host of other things that we all know is being bought to build illegal and most times dangerous structures or plumb their own water and connect up illegal lights and points but I do draw the line when it comes to GAS, as I said above if the punter wants' to plum up their new bathroom and run the risk of potential problems, do it, but with GAS it's not just you that might suffer from the consequences of a faulty connection but your neighbours, when your gas leak gets ignited by a source such as a illegal electrical fitting you installed which is arching while you are away on holiday and not able to smell the leak.

    When the GAS gets ignited it won't just be your house or family that gets hurt or killed but also your innocent neighbours, personally I don't see the need for Bunning's or other supermarkets to sell this type of stuff, sure it's a free market and this supplier must be over the moon their product is available via the biggest hardware chain around, instead of via a specialist outlet, think of the potential sales they will get.

    Don't justify it by saying you are purchasing it for your plumber, are you serious your plumber will have all his or her own superior stuff in their truck, they won't be using this DIY stuff, and this IS targeted at the DIY market, This cheap Chinese made DIY system is simply a copy of a proper system such as the iplex K1, which not only do you need to be a licensed plumber and also a licensed gas fitter but you also need to have successfully completed the iplex installation course and be accredited by iplex.

    The accreditation covers identifying improper crimped connections, why silicon can be detrimental to the K1 system, how to protect the piping when brazing copper fittings connected to K1,how to protect the piping in corrosive environments, how much to allow for thermal expansion, where to use rubber grommets, etc etc.,

    Even I sound like a K1 expert now, because I've read some freely available information on the product, I feel confident I can now safely go and install this because I have read what's required, that' all it takes isn't it

    Being able to walk into their local green shed supermarket and buy this system, there is seriously something wrong with that.

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    Agree 100%

    Here's some food for thought. How many rotten, perished, leaking gas hoses and regs are out there right now on thousands of back deck BBQ's ? How many people turn the bottle off after a BBQ I wonder.

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    Originally Posted by ringtail
    Agree 100%

    Here's some food for thought. How many rotten, perished, leaking gas hoses and regs are out there right now on thousands of back deck BBQ's ? How many people turn the bottle off after a BBQ I wonder.
    well, mine gets turned off for sure, coz my reg leaks and I don't want to waste gas.

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    Originally Posted by r3nov8or
    well, mine gets turned off for sure, coz my reg leaks and I don't want to waste gas.
    Is a new Regulator worth more than your life, let alone the lives of others.

    What don't you understand about leaking Gas.

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    Originally Posted by cyclic
    Is a new Regulator worth more than your life, let alone the lives of others.

    What don't you understand about leaking Gas.
    ....kidding, I think!

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    I did firstly write "(joke)" after my little quip, but thought a smiley would suffice...

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    ...and now I guess I'll get "it's no joking matter..." etc. sheesh

    Well, dumb people will find many ways to die. It's called Natural Selection.

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    Originally Posted by cyclic
    Is a new Regulator worth more than your life, let alone the lives of others.

    What don't you understand about leaking Gas.
    In open air on a breezy back deck? I wouldn't want to waste the gas, but that is nothing like a gas leak in an enclosed space.

    Bunnings sells electrical, plumbing, timber and even TOOLS! People are going to kill themselves!

    Those who want to ignore the science are increasingly alone. They are on their own shrinking island.


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    Originally Posted by woodbe
    In open air on a breezy back deck? I wouldn't want to waste the gas, but that is nothing like a gas leak in an enclosed space.

    Bunnings sells electrical, plumbing, timber and even TOOLS! People are going to kill themselves!


    That's true but LPG is heavier than air so it sinks, goes under the deck or any other number of places waiting for an ignition source. Plenty of still breezeless days. 1 x 9 kg bottle will do a fairly good job of levelling a house.

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    I won't argue that gas is not dangerous or that it is heavier than air, but if you have a small leak from a bad seal on the reg, outside the gas will dissipate faster than it is leaking. It will take days or probably weeks to empty the cylinder. Inside a house, that is a potential catastrophe. Out on the deck it will only pool until it spills downslope or a breeze moves it along.

    9kg of gas will make a big mess but only if it is contained. My back of the envelope calculations tell me that 9kg of LPG equals 4.7 cubic metres of unpressurised gas. Under the deck, things are usually pretty flat and most decks are open on at least one side, how are you going to hold all that gas under the deck so you can blow the whole house up?

    Sure, lets fix the reg and close the cylinder valve when the barbie is not in use.

    Those who want to ignore the science are increasingly alone. They are on their own shrinking island.


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    Originally Posted by woodbe
    Bunnings sells electrical, plumbing, timber and even TOOLS! People are going to kill themselves!

    Perhaps Wesfarmers is a terrorist organisation? Maybe we should ban them (and their death dealing retail arm) and seize their assets?
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    Oh well, more work for me in the long run fixing people's stupidity.
    Plumbers were around long before Jesus was a carpenter

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    Originally Posted by wonderplumb
    Oh well, more work for me in the long run fixing people's stupidity.
    Same for us with all the shoddy DIY building work going on, someone has to end up fixing it up

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    Originally Posted by SilentButDeadly
    Perhaps Wesfarmers is a terrorist organisation? Maybe we should ban them (and their death dealing retail arm) and seize their assets?
    Im sure you will see AK47's on the shelf at your local green shed soon, I happen to be at Castle Hill today, and spoke to the guy in Plumbing, he just shook his head and said heaps of plumbers have seen this, and could not believe what they were looking at, the just walked off in disbelief.

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    Im sure it will have a disclaimer somewhere stating - must be installed by a qualified gasfitter. PS - I was at castle hill Bunnings today too!.

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    Spotted this today at Bunnings - this really scares me what they sell.

    I love bunnings - it sells everything i need to diy. EVERYTHING!!!!

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    It all started with No More Gaps. Of course now known as No More Trade.

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    Spotted this today at Bunnings - this really scares me what they sell.

    Now you can wire up AND do the gas connection to your BBQ area

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    Originally Posted by Aaron1973
    Im sure it will have a disclaimer somewhere stating - must be installed by a qualified gasfitter. PS - I was at castle hill Bunnings today too!.
    Of course it does, on the back of the packet, but this is the same as all electrical components, but this doesent stop anyone, but interestingly no such thing is stated on sticks of timber, perhaps they should.
    What time were you there, I was there around 8:00 the store was empty.

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    Re: Spotted this today at Bunnings - this really scares me what they sell.

    The problem with my Bunnings is that there's now a Masters opposite... It's VERY hard to not end up going to both each trip!

    On the upside, they are trying to consider planning a way to gradually develop a trickle down culture of reasonably basic customer service. By that I mean, they sometimes say hello. I hear the next stage may be occasional eye contact.

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    Originally Posted by Micky013
    Now you can wire up AND do the gas connection to your BBQ area
    HA HA HA HA HA my thoughts exactly - Read on

    http://www.renovateforum.com/f196/ga...-nails-113851/

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    I was framing my extension at cutting my eaves off 8am , didn't get there til after lunch. Trade desk was a nightmare!!!.

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    Originally Posted by OBBob
    The problem with my Bunnings is that there's now a Masters opposite... It's VERY hard to not end up going to both each trip!

    On the upside, they are trying to consider planning a way to gradually develop a trickle down culture of reasonably basic customer service. By that I mean, they sometimes say hello. I hear the next stage may be occasional eye contact.
    I have yet to frequent a Masters, not many in Sydney yet, but I believ it's much the same same.

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